Quick observation with Water

aolson · June 30, 2017, 5:08pm

Hi Marc -

I haven’t played with Water much, but I like what I see. It loads instantaneously, CC is instantaneous, XAML loading is instantaneous (get the pattern here???).

As a WPF programmer, I obviously miss the integrated visual XAML designer, but I know that is a huge undertaking in itself.

I loaded one of my bigger WPF projects and simply hit Build, and everything built without any errors, so that I great. Please take a look at the attached screenshot. I did see some errors with CC when i’m dealing with Developer Express classes/components. As I said, it all compiled just fine, but there seems to be an issue w/ doing class completion with DevExpress for some reason.

I’ll keep testing things when time permits. Great job so far!

Alan

mh · June 30, 2017, 5:27pm

Yeah, we’ll have really solid CC for XAML, soon. An actual designer, we’re considering options but not for v1

Can you fold open the References node? I’m betting the devex reference is not resolved (probably because EBuild, which we already use for that in the IDE, doesn’t check the right registry keys for that, yet).

aolson · June 30, 2017, 6:11pm

you are correct sir. Water was unable to resolve a lot of references. Is this a known issue? Anything I can do, or wait for the next beta drop?

mh · June 30, 2017, 7:41pm

Nothing for now; i’ll try and get this fixed for the next beta.

mh · July 3, 2017, 4:28pm

Should be fixed for next Friday, but since i don’t have DevEx to test against specifically, i’d appreciate f you let me know of it works.

aolson · July 17, 2017, 1:33pm

Hey Marc -

The DevExpress references are now being resolved perfectly, so that you - that issue is gone.

But, I did notice one other thing to bring to your attention.

I have a SLN file that contains roughly 50 projects, some small, some larger. When I start up Water, and first load this solution, it takes ~30 seconds to load the solution, resolve references, etc, before you can do anything. It sits there with each project saying ‘Waiting’. After ~30 seconds, the system seems to be parsing/resolving files and then all projects get loaded really fast, but there is that period of about 30 seconds where the system is in limbo.

IF I then close the solution and load it again, it loads right away properly. If I close Water, restart it, load this solution the issue is reproduced. So it only happens the first time the solution is loaded after Water starts.

Alan

mh · July 17, 2017, 3:12pm

Yeah, well. 50 projects will take a while for all references to load and and source files to be parsed. You can use Water while that;'s happening, the only thing you don’t get is CC. There’s really no way around this. (by contrast, VS just shows you a progress bar and the Ice is dead, while this happens).

aolson · July 17, 2017, 3:30pm

I think you miss my point.

When I FIRST load the solution after water starts, that 30 secs has Water froze up and unable to do anything. The loading/parsing is fast once it starts, but for those 30 seconds you’re stuck looking at the wait cursor.

Again, if I close the solution and open again without restarting Water it loads the solution and parses right away. First time after a restart, you are stuck waiting.

mh · July 17, 2017, 5:02pm

Hmm, curious. any chance you can send me the solution in question (i’ll treat it super confidential)?

Barring that, can you do me a favor and attach the Visual Studio debugger to Water; then when it hangs during those 30s, can you Pause from VS and see if you can get a call stack for the main thread? i wonder what it’s doing…

(the two main slowing factors in project load, in all my profiling, are (a) processing the XML files and (b) where applicable, calculating al the right nesting of files for the tree. But even that’s in the .1s range for the largest solutions i test with (Fire and Water.sln <g>), and more importantly, that would hit again after close/reload. Strange.

aolson · July 17, 2017, 5:36pm

I was able to attach to it, pause it, and choose ‘Debug|Windows\Call Stack’, but all it shows is ‘[External Code]’

Am I doing this wrong?

mh · July 17, 2017, 6:19pm

Disable “Just my Code” in VS debugging options

aolson · July 17, 2017, 6:36pm

does this tell you anything???

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mh · July 17, 2017, 9:37pm

curious. it seems to be busy loading images.

is

RemObjects.Water.BaseLibrary.dll!RemObjects.Fire.BaseLibrary.Image.platformImage.get() Unknown

in th stack traces, no matter “when” in the 30s you pause? e.g., if you resume, wait 10s, pause again, still same? 'll review the caching logic here Wednesday (i’m out all day tomorrow), but if that’s the case then it seems that you have many many files in your SLN, and for each node in the project tree WPF (repeatedly) expends effort to load the right image to show for it (which should not happen as these should be cached/reused).

thanx for the details; i think this should be actionable and trivial to fix, if that is indeed the problem.

RemObjectsSoftware · July 17, 2017, 9:37pm

Thanks, logged as bugs://78135

aolson · July 18, 2017, 2:23am

Again, remember, this only happens the first time it’s loaded after starting Water.

mh · July 20, 2017, 3:20pm

Odd, i see n obvious caching problem in RemObjects.Fire.BaseLibrary.Image.platformImage.get(). for tomorrows beta, i’ll add some extra logging. You’ll see stuff like

loading uncached image BuildLog.
loading uncached image Tab-Projects.
loading uncached image Tab-Types.
loading uncached image Tab-Search.
loading uncached image Tab-DebugSessions.
returning cached image Tab-Projects.
loading uncached image Action-Debug-Play-New.
returning cached image Action-Debug-Play-New.
loading uncached image Action-Debug-StepInto.
loading uncached image Action-Debug-StepOver.
loading uncached image Action-Debug-StepOut.
loading uncached image Tab-Debug-Log-Active.
loading uncached image Tab-Debug-Inspector.
loading uncached image Tab-Debug-LogCat.
loading uncached image Tab-Projects-Active.
loading uncached image Project-Island-Executable.
returning cached image Project-Island-Executable.
returning cached image Project-Island-Executable.
returning cached image Project-Island-Executable.
loading uncached image Tab-Debug-Log.
returning cached image Project-Island-Executable.
returning cached image Project-Island-Executable.
returning cached image Project-Island-Executable.
returning cached image Project-Island-Executable.
returning cached image Project-Island-Executable.
returning cached image Project-Island-Executable.
returning cached image Project-Island-Executable.
returning cached image Project-Island-Executable.

in %APPDATA%\Water.log

that said, can you check this part:

it might just have been a random hit and the real delay is elsewhere. How total files does the Solution have, roughly? 10 per project? 100?

RemObjectsSoftware · May 20, 2018, 6:19pm

bugs://78135 got closed with status nochangereq.